Note: Publishing late because when the bulk of the post was written the proposed RFP and consultant's report weren't online. Had some time free up, went to check and the same are online. Just a tweak or two to the post based on a very quick read, like two minutes. Yes that was more than enough for the point made below. See also below for a link to the documents..
The "soul of the town". That's how the former Rogers school was described. If accurate, this town is in a whole lot more trouble than ever imagined.
One comment by one audience member clearly highlighted that point. At least that speaker was being totally honest.
Two buildings. Both donated by our benefactor. Separated by just a few years in existence. Both providing an interesting perspective if you think about it about attitudes then and now.
The "soul of the town". That's how the former Rogers school was described. If accurate, this town is in a whole lot more trouble than ever imagined.
One comment by one audience member clearly highlighted that point. At least that speaker was being totally honest.
Two buildings. Both donated by our benefactor. Separated by just a few years in existence. Both providing an interesting perspective if you think about it about attitudes then and now.
No group representing a building which is the true "soul" of this town would stand silent to comments dismissing out of hand its soulmate in the North. No true soul would rely on feeble excuses as to why its mate is allowed to be shuffled into the corner. Pushed aside so it can languish and simply hope and pray that the same zeal and adore will be devoted to it once its sister is given the more prominent attention some feel it deserves.
I can tell you right now, I for one am not going to forget the representations made by some about the soulmate of the Rogers school.
You sit through meetings like last night and are simply awed by the instances of deja vu.
How many meetings and how many more months will pass before the process is figured out?
I am not talking about RFP vs. auction. If any one person involved in this process had determined the necessary procedure that must be followed, we wouldn't be where we are today.
Believe it or not, I don't mind being wrong about something. After all to err is human, and being reminded of one's humanity is not a bad thing once in a while.
Truth be told, there are times where perhaps one baits a hook, just to see if you can get a nibble, just to make sure there is actually some knowledge out there by people who should actually have it.
If one has perused the law, one knows what one needs to do. One should also know exactly what one can and cannot do. If you have the wherewithal to put together an RFP you certainly have it to figure out what you have to do to use it. But I digress ...
Since we are dealing with former schools, it might be appropriate to use the saying "knowledge is power". The one bit of knowledge every single person involved in this mess absolutely needs to possess is the knowledge that the provisions of c. 30B apply. Knowing that, the disposition of the properties should have been a much easier process. Indeed much of the "auction" controversy wouldn't exist.
Now that aside, and it being a foregone conclusion that we are going to use an RFP, we discovered that the ad hoc committee formed to determine a recommendation for these buildings has submitted a recommended RFP. All well and good, and we will all have a chance to determine whether the RFP submitted is all well and good.
Actually, we will have a bit more time than most people think. Actually both the consultant's report and the proposed RFP are online. So start checking now. Most glaring problem in about a 30 second review for the RFP - a promissory note to secure performance. Seriously? Oh could be this was intend just a a point of "beginning", however notes aren't worth the paper they are printed on if there isn't collateral to back them up.
But hey, we got a whole lot more time than people think to work out the kinks.
But hey, we got a whole lot more time than people think to work out the kinks.
Anyway ...
Here is my one true wish for the Rogers' building, that those seeking the saving of the building get exactly what they wish, and as quickly as legally possible.
A charter school is often bandied about. There would be nothing quick or easy about having that happen. If you think it would, than you ought to take a look at what you have to do to establish a charter school.
Quick as possible is the key folks. We have had to significant rain events this month. If you have a leaky roof, when it rains well water seeps it. When it rains hard, more water seeps in than as save the normal little rain fall. when you get over 2 inches of rain in one event, not to mention more than 7 inches, well you best be praying the rain somehow miraculously misses your building. If it doesn't, best have the mop up crews in the building.
My realistic guess: if these buildings aren't dealt with in finality by this time next year, the town is going to end up having to take a wrecking ball to them, well at least one.
The 800 pound gorilla is what do you do if you don't receive a responsible proposal? Note the word responsible. Have we not all seen and learned from the problems with excepting "sole" proposals?
The 800 pound gorilla is what do you do if you don't receive a responsible proposal? Note the word responsible. Have we not all seen and learned from the problems with excepting "sole" proposals?
Anyway ... another digression I think.
Now a private school of some level, well heck, not an issues. So long as run by a not for profit. No issue relative to zoning for not for profit educational corporation facilities. Sec. 3 of chapter 40A says so. Well zoning issues as to use. Other little matters such as picky little things like parking and set backs and stuff, well that still is regulated.
So assume you can get some type of elementary school back in there, not much of a problem right? The neighbors lived with that before, they can live with again. Some type of adult education even. It should not matter. Still a school right?
What's the big deal about the extra cars for the students? Carve out some of that playground if you have to.
The problem with that, if that is financially feasible for any individual or entity, we are talking about somone or some group with a whole bunch of money to burn.
By the way, nor proposal should be accepted on mere promises. Substantial bond and prove of ability, up front.
The problem with that, if that is financially feasible for any individual or entity, we are talking about somone or some group with a whole bunch of money to burn.
By the way, nor proposal should be accepted on mere promises. Substantial bond and prove of ability, up front.
At this point I pretty much don't care what gets done. Just do it right and get it done.
I would be remiss to nit mention the other little matter that essentially started off yesterday's meeting. Lamp posts for town hall.
If this proposal actually qualifies for CPC funding, I will be dumbfounded. I don't mean whether it gets approved by the town's CPC. Use the word "old" and that too often seems enough. I mean actually meets the legal requirements.
For this particular proposal we have the legal requirements under the CPA legislation the "The Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation" are to be followed.
Standard No. 3
Each property shall be recognized as a physical record of its time, place, and use. Changes that create a false sense of historical development, such as adding conjectural features or architectural elements from other buildings, shall not be undertaken. (Emphasis supplied)
Now if some person wants to put together a proposal, with detailed costs, complete in nature and submit it as an article for the general fund to pay, well go right ahead. Let town meeting decide it it wants to delete the general fund for that purpose
Putting in two, four eight or how many historical looking lamp posts and using CPC money to gussy up the area to your view of what it should look like is not apparently to be undertaken.
Delaying the implementation of a Town Meeting vote to accommodate an issue which in fact was actually raised at town meeting as a basis for a motion for IP is just not something that should be allowed.
Remember the mantra used last night about meetings, discussions etc. in formulating a decision. It was no secret going into town meeting that someone was not happy about not "expanding" the sidewalk project to include conjectural features. If the rationale is well I personally didn't know, I will multiply that I by 20 as a basis for delaying other matters addressed last night, and get you those 20 people who personally don't know what the heck is going on.
As far as the historically accurate, how about the standard No. 4:
Most properties change over time; those changes that have acquired historic significance in their own right shall be retained and preserved.
How about this little historical argument - the existing "ugly" polls there could be historically significant. I love "could be" arguments. Remember the could be the reasons for another restoration project.
As an side, I love that one. Could be Mark Twain or HHR himself sat at the table. Probably not to be used as a stand with a glass top for a display of model boats or whatever. Still could be however.
But again I digress.
Don't liken the ugly green. Fine, paint them black. The tree is a problem, trim it. Like every other one in town. Underground wiring perhaps, eliminating the wires to the front of the building? Not totally historically accurate. Want historically accurate, eliminate the lights all together. Put the curb cuts back to where the same were originally. Spend the thousands to rewire to hide everything in the back of the building.
These could be the last standing such poles anywhere. They could be pieces of historical value exhibiting a vintage example of street lighting. Could be, right?
Simple fact of the matter is not all history is as pretty as we would like it to be.
Why take a look at the two schools. Tells you something about prevailing attitudes, then and now to be honest. At least one speaker in the group last night was honest. At least one person got up and noted all he cared about was what was going to happen with the old Rogers school.
Ridiculous you say. Possibly. Maybe nothing more than pure conjecture.
And conjecturing about what was and what should be is probably a good point to stop.
Be safe.
Your tone and tenor on the school issue is dead wrong John. We must do everything possable to save and revive the Rogers school building(s) which, as stands, truly represents the "soul" of this town, this nation even. Think of the opportunities we as a town can provide for the families of the Southcoast if the Rogers school is resurrected as a charter school for troubled youth. Or lets expand our vision nationally - Our president and governor are looking for safe haven for thousands of unaccompanied immigrant children form south of the border - well brother, where better than Fair-Haven Massachusetts and the soul of HH Rogers.
ReplyDeleteWait...what..., is that a crane with a giant wrecking ball I hear a mass of concerned Fairhaven residents firing up?
I don't know whether you are being serious or facetious with you specious comments. I will go with facetious, cause I don't think I am dead wrong with my tone or tenor, and your tone and tenor seems to indicate that to me.
ReplyDeleteBut in the event I am dead wrong, what say you readers about the suggestions in the above comment? Each a noble endeavor, don't yo think?
"We?" must do everything possible to save and revive.... Who's the "we?" "We" need to be sellers, not investors. I thought that much was decided upon. I expected to read the "preserve the skyline" argument here. That doesn't fly because the town readily changed the skyline off Sconticut neck. To suggest to house the illegal immigrants- the town didn't want Fairhaven school children in the building, but you're suggesting remodeling for the illegals? I'd almost call for an increase in taxes to call your bluff. If it was ever suggested by the state that the building be refurbished to hold the illegals the neighbors would be up in arms. Those buildings are beyond the town's financial ability to make serviceable. Sell.
ReplyDeleteMight as well go all the way an convert the ATLAS tack property into housing for the parents of the children,could even use Oxford school as a backup if more space is needed According to the government we are here to help all people.Lets see if the government will foot the bill..Soul of the town you say,we all watched Rogers school deteriorate for years ,now some people want to resurrect the soul.A little to late.Like John says if we don't solve this problem quickly ,the wrecking ball will be the next choice..
ReplyDeleteSECTION VI. DEVELOPMENT PARAMETERS
ReplyDelete• No demolition of the 1885 building will be permitted...
• Uses of the building must conform to the residential setting...
http://www.fairhaven-ma.gov/pages/fairhavenma_documents/Docs%20and%20Contracts/Rogers%20Oxford%20Study%20Committee%20Proposed%20RFP.pdf
Those are some other important items to take from the proposal put forth by the Advisory Committee. There really is no room for discussion. Residential. Building MUST stand. Pigeonholed.
Being a realist, I cannot fathom how this could possibly work. There are publicly available documents that show what a poor state that Rogers School is in. Considering the antiquated HVAC, electrical, and plumbing alone, the structure would need a full gut. There are huge ADA, building and fire prevention code issues in addition to that. Add the cost of abating asbestos, as well as refurbishing the brick, mortar and wood, and it becomes more apparent that all that could possibly be left of that structure is the shell.
http://www.fairhavenps.org/Dr.%20B/School%20Building%20Committee/Collaborating/Existing%20Conditions%20Report%20Sec%201-3.pdf
That building was hardly suitable for a school, especially a public one. Do you think a prospective charter school would love its amenities and technology? Come on. It would be less suitable as a residential structure, even with massive overhauls. People need to get real. Seriously. Osuch did a good job of explaining about these expenses and costs. For those that haven't seen it, the whole meeting is worth a watch.
I agree that there should be some restrictions to keep development consistent with local character. A realistic RFP could cover that. An RFP would also give a better level of review. However, I cannot conceive of any cost-effective re-development that would be possible by retaining that structure in the manner the Advisory Committee intends. The RFP as proposed is a pipe dream. We may as well budget grass-cutting, snow removal, emergency repair, and security funding now. If this proposal moves ahead, this Town will be sitting on BOTH properties for a long while.
As I stated in the last blog comment section, I think it's time to disband the Advisory Committee. The petition drive put it over the edge for me. If they want to act as an activist group, fine. Just don't pretend to advocate for the best interest of the Town.